“It would be interesting to see what would happen if there were a single button in Tel Aviv that, once pushed, would shut down all Israeli technology everywhere in the world.”
Antisemites would use this to reinforce the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Also, Israelis would never agree on whether or how to make the button, and whether/when to shut it off.
I am guessing that the Democrat Jews, like the Democrat Blacks and Mexican Americans bought into the line that the South was to blame for every bad thing that ever happened to them in the history of America, since the civil war. It was not the south, it was the Democrats in the South. Many former Democrats in the South left the party when it betrayed their beliefs. Those beliefs being Conservative beliefs as well as loyalty to the country and its original Constitution.
I won’t get into a defense of the civil war, but it wasn’t all about slavery. It was about control of a population. This morphed into control by the elites, over a peasant population. The middle class became the real enemy. Jews in Germany were the middle class who owned businesses, and were tradesmen, and skilled craftsmen, as well as educated teachers and researchers. You can’t have a middle class with totalitarianism. Just Kings and peasants.
Someday, the entire middle class will wake up (not get woke) and realize the Democrats have always been this way. Not that Republicans have always been great, but they became more conservative with Donald Trump, who stood for everyday working Americans, regardless of race or creed.
Sometimes it takes a real trauma in one’s life to come around to the truth. However just like stupidity, evil eventually shows itself for what it is.
If Biden thinks that going against Bibi and building a pier and using Schumer to go against Bibi is gone to win him Hamas Michigan he is deluded. That team has blood lust
I agree about Biden but think this is somewhat wrong about netanyahu, who actually is bad. Aside from his many corruption, apathy, and misgovernment issues, he's also pushed to make Israel less popular globally since siege mentality helps his own political standing - even if you have a very low opinion of Obama, Bibi going out of his way to publicly aggravate the US president for his own political advantage was really bad for Israel.
None of this is to say bibi's to blame for the problem, actual antisemitism is a much bigger issue. But Bibi has gone out of his way to do his part in making it worse, and while it's unreasonable to pin the whole problem on him it's not unfounded.
It couldn’t possibly be that a US policy to rein in Netanyahu at this time is the right move for US national interest? It couldn’t be that this was not simply a political move designed to placate the far left? I don’t think this move was done with any hope of winning over the far left. The US cannot be seen to be letting Netanyahu lead it around by the nose.
Hey you say tomato I say tomato. You say progressives I say mamzerim. Have any of these progressives bothered to check the bona fides of their new found allies in the Islamic fundamentalist world? A moderately thorough reading of the Koran should go a long way to clarify what the umma believes. Islam though not exclusively monolithic is still way more monolithic than any other faith. Pretty near universal Jew hatred through and through not to mention specific things like defenestration for queer behavior and belief. Good thing the idf flattened most of the taller buildings in Gaza hard to defenestrate from a tunnel I guess if push came to shove strangulation is always an available option. I wonder how many graduates of CLDP Schumer has on staff? If you are unfamiliar with CDLP you need to get a quick look. HTTPS://cldp.org
“CLDP Enables American Muslims to Make a Difference in Washington”
The landing page boasts. Well they already have made a significant difference. The Muslim conquest after losing momentum at the gates of Vienna on September 12, 1683 now rises again in America. Be aware Yahudim the umma is coming for us all, they are already here and they are growing. Worldwide 2 billion followers of a death cult founded by an illiterate pedophile, evil true evil.
I am an American jew who has generally supported the US's support of Israel's defense, but being anti-Netanyahu is not necessarily the same as being anti-semitic or anti-Israel. I am tired of Israel thinking it can lead the US around by the nose, and now a recent poll suggests that a majority of Israelis are pro-Trump, despite all the things he has said suggesting he is anti-semitic and against US support of Israel. If that poll accurately reflects Israeli sentiment, then I am done with my support for Israel. I am not a radical lefty and am not pro-Hamas, and I believe Israel has a right to defend itself, but not at any cost to the US. The US puts its money and credibility on the line for Israel and Israel treats us like crap. Enough.
Israel does not think it can lead the US around by the nose. I have no idea why you would think that. As for a lot of Israelis liking Trump, so what? I don't care much for Trump personally, but a lot of Americans like him. So do a lot of Europeans, for that matter. Many Arab leaders adored him. Moreover, Israelis are in an existential battle and feel that Biden is abandoning them. They may well be right. Why should they continue to like Biden in such a situation? I'm genuinely interested in your answer.
As for Israel treating the US like crap, that's both cheap demagoguery and absolute barking madness. If you actually believe it, and I doubt you actually do, then there's really not much further for us to discuss.
You are clearly an Israeli first, and all Israelis care about is the interest of their country, which is understandable. I get the threat it has been under and that attitude. Israel is of little strategic importance to the US. Our primary interest in Israel is cultural affinity and a moral one, since we have stood by Israel since its founding. Israel disregards US interests when making decisions about its defense, decisions that can put US soldiers in harm's way and cost the US additional money, as well as weaken the US's diplomatic capital around the world. Israel clearly just does whatever it wants and ignores US input on matters that can involve the US. And, by the way, the West Bank settlements are a disgrace that I do not want US money going to support, though it is hard to separate that out from supporting Israel's defense.
Trump is a major danger to the US and its allies. Returning him to power would be the end of liberal democracy in the US and the end of the US as a guarantor of stability in the world. And he is not Israel's friend either. The Christian fundamentalists might keep him in line on Israel, but I wouldn't count on it. And the Democrats are not Israel's enemy. The far left do not control the Democratic Party, and there is nothing wrong with the US holding Israel to account for how it is conducting parts of its war effort, which is not the same as not supporting Israel at all. Above all, the US has every right to judge in this matter.
You unleashed a good many irrelevancies and tendentious assertions, but you haven't actually answered my question: Why should Israelis like Biden if they see him as abandoning them at a crucial time? I'll add: Why shouldn't they like Trump if they think he'd be better for them at such a time?
He is not abandoning them. Such an assertion is specious and self-serving. Israelis want the US to rubber stamp everything. Given the role the US plays with supporting Israel, the US has every right to ensure that Israel is not doing any more than absolutely necessary to defend itself. The statements and actions of the Israeli government toward Palestinian civilians are given little consideration by Israel. Likud's own platform has the goal of taking over the entire territory of Palestine. Israel has the right and priority to protect its citizens, and war is always ugly and civilians always get killed, but that would not give Israel the right to engage in punitive warfare against the civilian population under the guise of just going after Hamas. I am not going to try to play armchair military expert, as so many do, but the US government are experts, and I trust Biden to negotiate such a difficult situation, whereas I would never trust a second Trump administration to do that, which would only have Trump lackeys in it, not the sort of credible people he had before. People who are thinking a second Trump term would be okay, for the US or Israel, are fools.
Israelis feel that they must win an absolute victory in this war if they are to survive. That means securing Rafah, destroying what remains of Hamas, and capturing/killing its leaders. They believe that such a victory is the bare minimum required to defend themselves. They also increasingly feel that Biden may be preventing them from doing that. Again, I fail to to see why they should maintain a positive view of him in such a situation. Your insistence that they should do so strikes me as at best distinctly ungenerous. There is not a human being on earth who could meet such a demand.
In any event, what I'm sensing more than anything else is that you loathe and fear Trump--and you're not necessarily wrong to do so--and this has bled over into a free-floating rage at anyone who is dubious about Biden.
Let's be clear, yes, Hamas's charter says they want to destroy Israel, and they are a serious danger to Israel. But Hamas is not actually an existential threat to Israel. It simply does not have the military power to be one. And the threat to Israel from overreacting to Hamas is real. Hamas wants Israel to overreact. The modus operandi of terrorists is based on not being able to prevail militarily, so they they try to sway public opinion. And Hamas is wining that war. So, the question is, "absolute victory" at what cost, killing 10s of thousands more Palestinian civilians and utterly destroying Gaza to totally eliminate a small force that cannot possibly overcome your country militarily? I am no military expert, and I know war is ugly and civilians will always die as a result, but it sure seems to me that there is a valid concern about Israel over-reacting and engaging in punitive warfare against civilians in a covert way. Likud's platform and its actions in power seem to me to reinforce this concern. And Netanyahu has proven to be an utterly cynical operator. After all, he is the one who arranged for Qatar to fund Hamas and then failed to protect Israel against them, when Hamas has literally said from the beginning that it seeks to destroy Israel and kill jews.
According to this, the Jewish vote is concentrated in four states:
https://ajpp.brandeis.edu/documents/2020/nationalprofileofthejewishelectoratein2020.pdf
Florida, CA, NY, and NJ. Of the four only FL is a swing state - actually it's now trending red.
Biden could sacrifice the Jewish vote and still win.
But the fact is that Jews will remain loyal to the Dem party - to the death (except in FL, where I think they'll go Republican, barely.)
Jews are a significant vote in Pennsylvania and even here in Arizona there are many times more Jewish voters than Biden’s margin in 2020.
But it's not just votes.
According to the Forward, Jews make up 80% of Democrat megadonors. The Democrat party can't afford to lose them.
“It would be interesting to see what would happen if there were a single button in Tel Aviv that, once pushed, would shut down all Israeli technology everywhere in the world.”
Antisemites would use this to reinforce the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Also, Israelis would never agree on whether or how to make the button, and whether/when to shut it off.
#Jexit2024
I am guessing that the Democrat Jews, like the Democrat Blacks and Mexican Americans bought into the line that the South was to blame for every bad thing that ever happened to them in the history of America, since the civil war. It was not the south, it was the Democrats in the South. Many former Democrats in the South left the party when it betrayed their beliefs. Those beliefs being Conservative beliefs as well as loyalty to the country and its original Constitution.
I won’t get into a defense of the civil war, but it wasn’t all about slavery. It was about control of a population. This morphed into control by the elites, over a peasant population. The middle class became the real enemy. Jews in Germany were the middle class who owned businesses, and were tradesmen, and skilled craftsmen, as well as educated teachers and researchers. You can’t have a middle class with totalitarianism. Just Kings and peasants.
Someday, the entire middle class will wake up (not get woke) and realize the Democrats have always been this way. Not that Republicans have always been great, but they became more conservative with Donald Trump, who stood for everyday working Americans, regardless of race or creed.
Sometimes it takes a real trauma in one’s life to come around to the truth. However just like stupidity, evil eventually shows itself for what it is.
If Biden thinks that going against Bibi and building a pier and using Schumer to go against Bibi is gone to win him Hamas Michigan he is deluded. That team has blood lust
I agree about Biden but think this is somewhat wrong about netanyahu, who actually is bad. Aside from his many corruption, apathy, and misgovernment issues, he's also pushed to make Israel less popular globally since siege mentality helps his own political standing - even if you have a very low opinion of Obama, Bibi going out of his way to publicly aggravate the US president for his own political advantage was really bad for Israel.
None of this is to say bibi's to blame for the problem, actual antisemitism is a much bigger issue. But Bibi has gone out of his way to do his part in making it worse, and while it's unreasonable to pin the whole problem on him it's not unfounded.
It couldn’t possibly be that a US policy to rein in Netanyahu at this time is the right move for US national interest? It couldn’t be that this was not simply a political move designed to placate the far left? I don’t think this move was done with any hope of winning over the far left. The US cannot be seen to be letting Netanyahu lead it around by the nose.
It's not anti-Semitism, it's anti-White ism.
They see Israel as white and they've been taught since birth to hate White people and the West.
Hey you say tomato I say tomato. You say progressives I say mamzerim. Have any of these progressives bothered to check the bona fides of their new found allies in the Islamic fundamentalist world? A moderately thorough reading of the Koran should go a long way to clarify what the umma believes. Islam though not exclusively monolithic is still way more monolithic than any other faith. Pretty near universal Jew hatred through and through not to mention specific things like defenestration for queer behavior and belief. Good thing the idf flattened most of the taller buildings in Gaza hard to defenestrate from a tunnel I guess if push came to shove strangulation is always an available option. I wonder how many graduates of CLDP Schumer has on staff? If you are unfamiliar with CDLP you need to get a quick look. HTTPS://cldp.org
“CLDP Enables American Muslims to Make a Difference in Washington”
The landing page boasts. Well they already have made a significant difference. The Muslim conquest after losing momentum at the gates of Vienna on September 12, 1683 now rises again in America. Be aware Yahudim the umma is coming for us all, they are already here and they are growing. Worldwide 2 billion followers of a death cult founded by an illiterate pedophile, evil true evil.
Schumer is חֵרֶם. He should be buried outside the confines of the cemetery when he goes. He’s an embarrassment.
I am an American jew who has generally supported the US's support of Israel's defense, but being anti-Netanyahu is not necessarily the same as being anti-semitic or anti-Israel. I am tired of Israel thinking it can lead the US around by the nose, and now a recent poll suggests that a majority of Israelis are pro-Trump, despite all the things he has said suggesting he is anti-semitic and against US support of Israel. If that poll accurately reflects Israeli sentiment, then I am done with my support for Israel. I am not a radical lefty and am not pro-Hamas, and I believe Israel has a right to defend itself, but not at any cost to the US. The US puts its money and credibility on the line for Israel and Israel treats us like crap. Enough.
Israel does not think it can lead the US around by the nose. I have no idea why you would think that. As for a lot of Israelis liking Trump, so what? I don't care much for Trump personally, but a lot of Americans like him. So do a lot of Europeans, for that matter. Many Arab leaders adored him. Moreover, Israelis are in an existential battle and feel that Biden is abandoning them. They may well be right. Why should they continue to like Biden in such a situation? I'm genuinely interested in your answer.
As for Israel treating the US like crap, that's both cheap demagoguery and absolute barking madness. If you actually believe it, and I doubt you actually do, then there's really not much further for us to discuss.
You are clearly an Israeli first, and all Israelis care about is the interest of their country, which is understandable. I get the threat it has been under and that attitude. Israel is of little strategic importance to the US. Our primary interest in Israel is cultural affinity and a moral one, since we have stood by Israel since its founding. Israel disregards US interests when making decisions about its defense, decisions that can put US soldiers in harm's way and cost the US additional money, as well as weaken the US's diplomatic capital around the world. Israel clearly just does whatever it wants and ignores US input on matters that can involve the US. And, by the way, the West Bank settlements are a disgrace that I do not want US money going to support, though it is hard to separate that out from supporting Israel's defense.
Trump is a major danger to the US and its allies. Returning him to power would be the end of liberal democracy in the US and the end of the US as a guarantor of stability in the world. And he is not Israel's friend either. The Christian fundamentalists might keep him in line on Israel, but I wouldn't count on it. And the Democrats are not Israel's enemy. The far left do not control the Democratic Party, and there is nothing wrong with the US holding Israel to account for how it is conducting parts of its war effort, which is not the same as not supporting Israel at all. Above all, the US has every right to judge in this matter.
You unleashed a good many irrelevancies and tendentious assertions, but you haven't actually answered my question: Why should Israelis like Biden if they see him as abandoning them at a crucial time? I'll add: Why shouldn't they like Trump if they think he'd be better for them at such a time?
He is not abandoning them. Such an assertion is specious and self-serving. Israelis want the US to rubber stamp everything. Given the role the US plays with supporting Israel, the US has every right to ensure that Israel is not doing any more than absolutely necessary to defend itself. The statements and actions of the Israeli government toward Palestinian civilians are given little consideration by Israel. Likud's own platform has the goal of taking over the entire territory of Palestine. Israel has the right and priority to protect its citizens, and war is always ugly and civilians always get killed, but that would not give Israel the right to engage in punitive warfare against the civilian population under the guise of just going after Hamas. I am not going to try to play armchair military expert, as so many do, but the US government are experts, and I trust Biden to negotiate such a difficult situation, whereas I would never trust a second Trump administration to do that, which would only have Trump lackeys in it, not the sort of credible people he had before. People who are thinking a second Trump term would be okay, for the US or Israel, are fools.
Israelis feel that they must win an absolute victory in this war if they are to survive. That means securing Rafah, destroying what remains of Hamas, and capturing/killing its leaders. They believe that such a victory is the bare minimum required to defend themselves. They also increasingly feel that Biden may be preventing them from doing that. Again, I fail to to see why they should maintain a positive view of him in such a situation. Your insistence that they should do so strikes me as at best distinctly ungenerous. There is not a human being on earth who could meet such a demand.
In any event, what I'm sensing more than anything else is that you loathe and fear Trump--and you're not necessarily wrong to do so--and this has bled over into a free-floating rage at anyone who is dubious about Biden.
Let's be clear, yes, Hamas's charter says they want to destroy Israel, and they are a serious danger to Israel. But Hamas is not actually an existential threat to Israel. It simply does not have the military power to be one. And the threat to Israel from overreacting to Hamas is real. Hamas wants Israel to overreact. The modus operandi of terrorists is based on not being able to prevail militarily, so they they try to sway public opinion. And Hamas is wining that war. So, the question is, "absolute victory" at what cost, killing 10s of thousands more Palestinian civilians and utterly destroying Gaza to totally eliminate a small force that cannot possibly overcome your country militarily? I am no military expert, and I know war is ugly and civilians will always die as a result, but it sure seems to me that there is a valid concern about Israel over-reacting and engaging in punitive warfare against civilians in a covert way. Likud's platform and its actions in power seem to me to reinforce this concern. And Netanyahu has proven to be an utterly cynical operator. After all, he is the one who arranged for Qatar to fund Hamas and then failed to protect Israel against them, when Hamas has literally said from the beginning that it seeks to destroy Israel and kill jews.